Thursday, January 14, 2010

Nifty Premarket View

Happy Pongal, Makar Sankranthi, Lohri and Ganga Sagar...


29 comments:

Vinod Dhandapani said...

Happy Pongal & Makar Sankranthi to all

Chanakya said...

GM Ilango,

I didn't understand>> Reverse to Long with SAR @ 5205. Can you pls explain and oblige.

Also, when you suggest Trade 5225-35 to 5260-80, do you expect that the markets will go first to 5225-35?

As per my understanding you were carrying Shorts from yesterday. I am too carrying 53PE @ 126 closed at 110. SGX suggest gap up near 5250+. What should be done... Shall I cover them at the 1st brief break of 5250 (spot) or wait for seeing if it trades above that level for say 10 mins or so.

But, in past whenever I waited for some 5 mins, at times Nifty shoots/accelerates exponentially from such crucial levels and then we have to book a higher loss at higher levels.

Please suggest.

Unknown said...

Wish U All Happy Pongal, MakarSankrati and Lohri.

Ilango said...

Hi..Kautilya,

We are holding shorts but it was advised to trade those shorts and especially when market gave a lower opening at 5160-5180(5170) and to resell higher @ 5230-5240 and market stopped exactly at that point. According to the price behaviour till then it was poised to go to another low before reversing to higher levels. however, positive world markets may shorten this correction and Nifty may log into its last upmove which could last for few days.

Accordingly a changed view is presented here. If the prices move past 5245 at the open, next hurdle comes at the "redrawn channel line"(Not shown in the chart..by connecting the tops)@ 5260-5265. If Nifty were to open above that, exit immediately.

Also 10.00AM close will give us a further clue. Even a + 10 points will give RSI break out in the hour charts.

Ideal set ups can sometimes change. From 5170 low of yesterday to the expected low of 5135 was only a 35 points. The risk reward has changed tremendously at that point and market may have tipped at that point. We will know soon.

If market stays in 5245-5265, it will still be an indecisive zone. But looking at individual stocks behaviour, it is poised to move higher. So act promptly.

SAR @ 5205: Once a long is initiated, the stop & reverse to short is @ 5205 breaking.

As weekly is still in Buy mode and daily corrections have gone on for 6 days, get back to "Bull mode".

nifty said...

Kautilya,

This is the dilemma I envisoned yesterday. Since Mar 09, anybody who shorted Nifty near a break out resistance has always LOST money because Nifty has this ugly habit of GAPPING up on open to KILL THE BEARS.

Look at this stupid, meaningless correction from breaking down 5240 support to regaining support. It all happened in a span of 24 hours. i.e., On Tue, it looked like the bears were in command when Nifty broke 5220-5240 support and closed at 5209 or so. But it was yet again just a mirage.

What this means is that either Nifty is going to correct deeply or Nifty is going to rally furiously. This Tue/Wed move was just to flush out the bears.

I suggested yesterday evening NOT to hold shorts near such a crucial support because of gap ups. It happened to me last Monday when it gapped up from 5240 to 5280 and I lost 40 points each on my SHORTs. It looks like it is going to happen again today.

I agree with you. If one doesnt close (the SHORTS) at the open, then market has the tendency to shoot up. If you do close, then it usually comes down. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Personally I would either close half the short at the open or if you need mental peace then close em all.

Chanakya said...

Got it Ilango. Thanks for the timely advise/explanation.

Chalking down various possible scenarios is one thing and doing an actual trade by picking up one of those scenarios... is another (thats what I am learning now).

Cheers

Chanakya said...

Thanks nifty for reciprocating and further understanding my inner feelings.

I have exitted at 102 at the open, as suggested by Ilango and you!! Now Nifty will surely go down :)

Anyway leaving peace of mind with me!!

Ilango said...

On a day like this, use the "ORB" method to initiate trades.

Vinod Dhandapani said...

Dear Illango,

Ur view on IT index. Can we short it...

thanks

Ilango said...

Looks like a role reversal between banks and IT..

But definitely with a tight SL.

Ilango said...

What my critic did is(a contrarian play):
If the critical level is 5265, sell first..so the SL is quite close, the 2 day high @ 5273.

MD said...

Sir,

above pivot table are not updated as they r based on 12th jan close.

Ilango said...

RIL has broken out above the 1100 mark.

INDITRADER said...

Sir today orb means we should initiate short below Nf 5250 & go long above 5270.
I am inticipating right?

manu said...

sir, i m bit confused..the shorts tkn ystrdy r 2 be squared at wht sl if u presume ril upmovmnt as if it breaks 1120..or frm wht lvl again shrt cn be intiated to avg. ystrdy pstns

regards
manu

Rajagopal said...

Good Morning Ilango and Friends.
JSW (@209+) results today - expected some upward movement - jfiy.
Ilango - holding RIL and Grasim expecting breakouts - can I?
Regards,
S Rajagopal

Ilango said...

Hii..musti,

ORB has given a buy.

Hi..Manu,

I have suggested to close the shorts and go long at the open.

RIL channel resistance comes at 1100 and it has broken above that.

Ilango said...

Hi..Rajagopal,

RIL has broken out above 1100 and 1120 should now be the next confirmation.

Acc has moved up sharply yesterday. So Grasim should do too.

nifty said...

I am SHORTING at 5274 with a 10 point SL. Looks like a false ORB.

Sujatha said...

@ Ilango - Yes sir, I did the same what your cretic said...cos 5 high ema also 5270

Is it may touch 5230?? as per 5 min chart (yesterday) or 5252?

Thanks in advance.

Regards

manu said...

hi..manu,

Unitech correction is on. Good supports around 83.0. If it can hold 78-75 and surpass 91.50, it can make some big moves. Next few days trading should give some clues.

nw it hs bounced back frm 86.5 and close 2 ur high f 91.5..shld i exit unitech shrts..

Anandan said...

Hi Guys,
As per my study, recomended :
BUY for ICICI & RCom..
Now both up move.. enjoy profits..
tks
anandan.R

bizagra said...

Hii Ilango sir, i exited my shorts. Now we sud be long if 5225-30 comes??

bizagra said...

I , being a conservative didnt went long @ 5265 as S & R too far.

Ilango said...

I have updated a new post with Chart.

Hi..Manu,

That is my view on Unitech a few days back as well as few weeks back.

S&R for the longs should be now @ 5235.

nifty said...

bizagra,

There is a good likelihood that NF may not come down to 5225-30 levels today. The breakout was @5240, so my buying range is between 5240-5250. Since I am short @5274, those 30 odd points should be good enough to cover for my SL at 5205. That's my approach.

Prabhakar said...

Mr. Ilango Sir,

I HAVE SHORT NF AT 5270 WITH SL 5280. WHERE SHOULD I COVER, IF NF COMES DOWN ?

Thanks.

Prabhakar said...

Mr.Ilango Sir,

I think you are busyyyyyyyyy.

Prabhakar said...

Can any body give reply?

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