"Viren" has been contributing some amazing and precise decider points for trading called VAH, VAL and when combined with other studies, the clarity that emerges cut down on errors of judgements. I reproduce here his Introduction into Market profile. It is very simple and it is worth your while to spend time on it and add to your trading tools.
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Hello All,
It's nice to see the enthusiasm you have shown in understanding a new concept, which I must say may be a bit different from what you would have heard about the markets so far.
I have already sent out some pdf's to you, but I will again try to summarize in this mail the concept of Market profile and give you the info on operating the software required for this.
The Market Profile is a comprehensive way of organizing the trading day, taking into account price, volume, and time. Financial markets exist to facilitate an exchange between a buyer and
seller. But the markets, with their innumerable participants, seek to facilitate trade at the fairest price.
This fair price is what we call "value"
Markets establish an accepted value each and every trading day based on innumerable inputs: news, earnings reports, economiindicators, geopolitical events, politics, budgets and so on. As
these inputs change day after day, so too does the value of the market.The Market Profile theory holds that each trading day is connected to the next when it comes to determining value; therefore, we can learn a lot about the market today, in real time, by observing where it established value yesterday. This value comes in the form of a range of prices, from a low to high
in price. Today’s value is defined by where the market traded 70% of the volume yesterday. Specifically we define today’s value at the prices between which 70% of yesterday’s volume traded.The 70 % is a global constant and I have not known anybody to tinker with it.
What we’re left with is a low(VAL) and high price(VAH).
1. If the market is trading in between these prices, it’s accepting yesterday’s value and we can conclude that not much has changed between yesterday and today.
2. If it’s breaking out, then value is being established higher;
3. If it’s breaking down, then value is being established lower.
You might simply think of prices that define today’s value area as support and resistance.
If value moves higher, Buyers are coming in, so we advise buy above VAH. If value moves lower, Sellers are coming in, so we advise sell below VAL.
To track these changes daily, you need to download Quotetracker.
1. After you run the program, open it and save the proper NSE symbols in your portfolio.( All details on the website please read or send out an email to them for clarifications).
2. Next in data sources, choose " NSE Real Time".
3. Now when your symbols appear, open the intraday settings by a right click on the symbol.
4. Next, right click the chart and in "select indicators" choose 'Volume By price' in the upper indicator and 'Volume' in the Lower Indicator.
5. Give any colour of your choice, but the highlighted range is your value area, make sure it stands out.
Now you are ready to go... For Trouble shooting, download this QT Guide.
You will get 2 days of data for your unregistered version, which is enough to get you going.
Go through all your stocks now, and find which one traded above value, in value and below value.
Happy charting!!
Viren.
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Thank you, Viren.
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43 comments:
Thank you Illango for putting this out to everyone.
Cheers,
Is this what we call relentless selfless service...
Thank u Illango Sir, and Viren Sir for joining hands with our mentor
Hi all,
If you want to take market profile to the next step...for more info ...check out Brett Steenbarger's blog http://traderfeed.blogspot.com/
He uses this in his analysis...charts are from http://www.marketdelta.com/...called as footprint charts...
To put it in simple Market profile is watching how BIG traders are involved in market and at what price....But will that guarantee profits?...Leheman brothers was supposed to be a BIG player in markets...also suffered BIG time in the crisis...so be careful and do proper study...Market profit is a great way to integrate volume with price....Also search about VWAP...Volume Weighted Average Price...similar concept
Cheers gave a great weekend
Thanks to Ilango and Viren. This is real team work and selfless service.
Hi Anuj,
The following link has EW rules and guidelines must be useful for you to develop your future versions of EW Calculator
http://www.elliottwaveindia.com/elliottwave-rules-guidelines.asp
Illangoji plz check the link and let him know whether he can use it for developing his EW calc...
Thanks
Vinod
Dear Thru Ilango,
Hope you will provide space for VAL & VAH in your daily blog for the benefit of all.
Thanks viren ji and ilango sir
Hi Ilango,
I have downloaded Quote tracker.
But i am not able to find NSE REAL TIME in Data source.
Where can i set up this one.
Please any one help me.
Thanks in advance.
Dhanabal
@dhanbaleeswaran
when u open the program screen, u can find on top column options.
click options -> data sources/proxy setting
select nse india realtime free
you can also do it via menu column on the left hand side.
wish to add some important points
1. one has to keep clicking advertisement in case of unregistered version.
2. one has to fill in geographical location survey otherwise the program will close.
3. Price by volume indicator is not there for nifty index. It is available only for stocks.
hope this helps
best
sri
i cant find Nse real time in the drop down menu ?
@vinod and anandan...answered your comment/mail
@ vinod
Guild lines are good...but just too many and too wide...I think I have followed majority of them..waiting for Ilango's review...Its impossible to simplify EW...and all levels can never work perfectly all the time...Just imagine every body will leave his or her job and become trader...If that happens there wont be any market...because there wont be any companies left!!!....market will always remain subjected to PROBABILITY
@sriganeshh
thanks for quotetracker review...I would pass it for time being as per your review...thanks
Why not use volume digger? as recommended by Viren before?
AJ
@anuj
inspite of some shortcomings, QT is powerful free program
1. can be linked to amibroker for realtime data feed.
2. you can see intraday nifty and bank nifty chart ..open intraday chart / right click / select historical chart option, u get uptodate historical chart vis a vis intraday chart for making comparison. Only thing is it not providing price volume indicator for index charts whereas u get it for stocks..
3. It has wide variety of indicator options, easy for operational understanding and use.
best
sri
HI sriganes,
i am not able to find the NSE REAL TIME in drop down box.
What should i do?
Dhana
@sriganeshh
Is it free?...I checked it ...it said RT quote are free for just 2 days..then you need to buy it ...any idea on how we can link data from PIB to Metastock?...Marketcalls blog mentioned about a utility to transfer data to amibroker...any idea about that?...
Cheers
Viren,
Thank you for the tutorial. Wish one day I will also be a tech-talking trader !!!.
By the way check out "Cummins India". It has a 445-495 range. Took at 447 waiting for 490 to S&R.
(futures).
Viren,
Thank u for your email. I have downloaded the software, however I can't find NSE India in the list.
@dhanabal,
first in options column, select edit preferences and see nse india on the list. select and click ok. Now u shld see nse on the dropdown menu.
In case if u r not able to see, u r not configured the software properly.
will send qtsetup collected from web to llango sir for putting it up for downloading on 4shared.com
@Anuj,
QT is essentially a mixed intraday and eod software. For indian markets, the effiency is less. The other near equivalent is fibo trader but it occupies large memory while working and hence not explored though many said it is good.
About linking PIB data to Metastock, you can ask rajandran of market calls directly. He is very good in tech exploration. I will try to explore if anything is available.
Regarding the other option provided by market calls, i have not tried it because my OS is not compatiable with that. I have linked qt to amibroker for realtime data but i rarely use it due to job restrictions.
Hi sri,
I am not able to see NSE in OPTIONS->EDITPREFERENces. I think not configured correctly.
I will download your setup from 4shared once uploaded.
Thanks for help.
Dhana
@Sriganeshh and all
Is Quote tracker free for intra day?
If I need to choose Quote tracker or Icharts for intraday...which one has more value for money ?
AJ
@sriganeshh
I have tried fibotrader...long time back...I dont think any intra day option was there...
I ask Rajandran he said presently he did not know how to link them
Even I have OS compatibility issue regarding that new utility in marketcalls blog,.net frame work is not there in my PC ...
Regards
"The 70 % is a global constant and I have not known anybody to tinker with it."
70% or to be exact 68.2% comes from 1 std deviation of values in a normal distribution.
see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68-95-99.7_rule
"About 68% of the values lie within 1 standard deviation of the mean (or between the mean minus 1 times the standard deviation, and the mean plus 1 times the standard deviation). In statistical notation, this is represented as: μ ± σ."
Sri Ganeshh Has sent a "Quote tracker user manual".
I am uploading and providing the link in the "POST" above..
@ Nandi,
I would request "Viren" to give the relevant VAH, VAL, etc everyday either in the comments section or email to me. I will incorporate the same in my EOD post as well as in the PreMarket view.
Once I get familiar with this subject and confident, I will take it from there.
Specialists of different methods may continue to contribute "Refined inputs" which could be easily incorporated for making an efficient trading plan.
I hope everyone visits "vipani Sangeetham" blog (Link in "My Blog List") to get the Nifty levels mentioned based on musical notes. I don't miss them. It gives you good trend indications as well as "reversal scenarios".
@dangi
Good artcle...post more like this one
This also explains the underlying basis of Bollinger Bands
Upper band and lower band is 2 standard deviation from a moving average (20 Bar)
So as per this price trades 95 % of time with in bands
Cheers
Hi sri and ilango,
Thanks for QT guide.
Now i am getting chart. But i am able to see the historical chart. i am not able to get yesterday intra chart.
shall we get intra chart only on trading days?
dhana
@ srigannesh.
Thank you for providing QT inputs
If you require more help for the technical set-up, please send a mail to support@quotetracker.com. They are a helpful bunch and would promptly reply to your queries.
I suggest using the NSE feed for EOD analysis only as I feel that the data is not updated real-time. Please do not trade on those quotes.Also as they compute the Nifty Index without volume, you would not be able to get Volume By price for the spot.For all other stocks as NSE provides volume, the data is fine.The idea is to get you up and running on entry/ exit points using value before we move on to more deeper stuff like footprints, delta, bid-ask etc.
NSE does not provide free futures data.For those interested in futures, you would have to subscribe to an esignal feed costing about $108 per month.http://www.esignal.com/
I will mail the value areas to Illango every evening, so we can have it up here on the blog.
Also, I have been contacted by Shai to do a guest post for him on his blog, http://vtrender.blogspot.com/.So do catch some EOD analysis there.
Hi guys, ( Dangi )..
When I see about "Six Sigma", topic..
I can't hold my self..
wish to tell you.. I am certified Six Sigma Black Belt .. from Singapore..
When I work in Singapore.. I went 3 months training for SIX Sigma..Finally I got..
But In India.. I am not sure How I can contribute. ( for Industries ).
Anandan.R
@llango sir and Viren,
thanks.
best
sri
hi guys
this place is becoming richer by the day, with all these techs, like a seminar.
:)
@sriganeshh,
if you are the same sri posted the ichi under umesh in vfm, plz put that here too.
It will make yet another dimension.
@viren
fabulous new thoughts you brought here.
@anuj
as i said, you are a factory of excel sheets, very useful.
@anandan
we know you are sixSigma calibered, only you dont know that yet ... :)
@raja
you are a sevenSigma, talented so many ways.
@saif, aarvee, prosenjit, mynac, satheesh, et al
so many valuable inputs every day from you.
and
all should thank Ilango for his magnanimous gestures of
guiding
making this a vibrant & live site EOD & IEOD
providing a maximal platform for other tech persons.
as well giving out the actual excel sheets of calculations [while others in his place may have just left the copy paste as values, instead of actual formulae]
@Ilango
kudos to you Ilango.
looking forward to your Sunday special [which i suppose has a major part played by your critic ]
with regards
:)
Thanks, Ilango sir, Viren, Sriganesh and all.
Ilango sir, Kindly put up nifty daily chart with EW counts from last year march low. I am getting confused with how to go about counting. It will be useful to calculate which wave you are referring to. Such a reference would be very helpful for learners like me.
Viren - My family panditji Mr Aravamudhan was checking his mail box and left without logging out. My thanks to you and Cummins... was done under his profile. Anyhow, thank you a million times.
I share your sentiments Mok,but the fear of being the lone man out is increasing with every single post I read.
Anandan :
(I hope you are not a black belt in Kungfu). Is it possible to get black belt in 6-S in three months?
Hi,
Anyone getting intraday chart in QT. I was not able to see the charts for last two days.
Illango sir told, we can see intra chart for last two days. but i am not able to c. But i am able to c the historical chart.
Pls give inputs,
Thanks in advance
Dhana
Dear Anuj,
If you could catch the waves in formulae, can the same be not done for the 70% theory ? Wear your thinking cap and go for a walk please !!!
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Viren : Is it possible to publish just a few N50 stocks VAH-VAL on a daily basis please?
@rajaG
no, you are not an island. But you are unique in your perceptions. You keep the moments lighter while keeping the focus on. Great eye & timing.
Wish can borrow [or pinch] a bit of your ant[???] brain :)
@Rajgopal
Missed your presence all day here...latecomer!!
I dont have any material on Market Profile
I have to wear my thinking cap and go Surfing not for a Walk!!!(Internet surfing..Pun intended)
Viren will probably be able to find a way with that easily
I think the answer to your question lies in VWAP..good new is that its there in NSE site...But some research needs to be done before trading it and information on NSE will be limited ...will start from Monday...
I made some references to your system in my blog..you are always a target of my scapegoating!!
Cheers
@Rajagopal
I was also thinking of same. if anuj can capture EW, he can capture market profile analysis too...
@anuj
please give a try
@dhanabal
u have just installed and it has to capture data for two days commencing from 8th. Anyhow in historical charts, u will get data upto 5th.
@mok
yes i am the same sri posted the ichimoku chart in VFM to get Umesh sir's views for my understanding.
The chart facility available online at stockcharts.com.
best
sri
Mok/Anuj,
Even a fleeting glance and comment on my views by you learned traders brings great cheers to my day. Thank you. I truly don't have TA tools or knowledge. Just picking up the alphabets from Dear Ilango and the learned friends here.
Just by assuring the fat lady that she is so beautiful and following her with all the teenage-infatuation, I am surviving. I am afraid that I may lose focus on the number of trades and start being afraid about the risk-reward ratio if I become a literate. Trying to balance - to get a degree of knowledge that will not make me feel shy about my nudity. (Knowledge,the fruit Saturn gave Eve)
Anuj - You Surf,Rin or Nirma please give us the tool.
@Rajgopal
Surfing is done on waves and TIDE(referring to Rin tide controversy)
@all
This Saturday has been quite good...with lots of inputs from everyone....seems people are still in "hangover" of markets....one bad apple spoils the whole bunch (the drunkard is making everyone sway)....what do you say Rajagopal...you are drunkard's best friend..
Goodnight...my "kota "is over for the day and night...
Cheers
Dear Viren,Ilango,
Thanks for providing/teaching such a important material/tool for day traders.
Thanks for your selfless services..
hello seniors...I AM NOT ABLE TO BACKFILL MY quote tracker ! I CANT SEE EOD CHARTS EITHER. HELP AND THANKYOU. k.mehta.
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